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jedi
Feb 21, 2010 17:20:00 GMT -5
Post by Kala Inoue on Feb 21, 2010 17:20:00 GMT -5
Define Religion...
How Can People Say Jediism Is Not A Religion?
Discuss!
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jedi
Feb 21, 2010 17:24:06 GMT -5
Post by Tai-Da Vrikaurvan on Feb 21, 2010 17:24:06 GMT -5
Well first step to knowing is finding the meaning of religion.
Religion :- A group of people who share a common belief
Jedi has many who believe in the Force.
My conclusion Jediism is a religion.
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jedi
Feb 22, 2010 20:18:50 GMT -5
Post by fruc76 on Feb 22, 2010 20:18:50 GMT -5
Religion : ensemble des croyances, des rituels, des dogmes régissant le rapport de l'homme et de la divinité (ou des divinités)
Which could be translated as : set of beliefs, rituals and dogmas managing the relation between man and his God/gods/godess.
This definition implies a divinity or a god, which are not directly implied in Jediism, meaning that Jediism isn't biult around the relation betweem men and god(s). In that way, Jediism isn't a religion.
I feel Jediism is more like a way of life than a religion, but that's my HO.
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jedi
Feb 23, 2010 4:09:09 GMT -5
Post by Tai-Da Vrikaurvan on Feb 23, 2010 4:09:09 GMT -5
Maybe so but what is God? Look into what God is rather than its name and you shall find the Force and God very simular.
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jedi
Feb 23, 2010 13:21:34 GMT -5
Post by fruc76 on Feb 23, 2010 13:21:34 GMT -5
In nature, I agree, but in terms of perception, I am not sure. And this is why, I thnk, some people say that Jediism isn't a religion. There is also all those critters that can be taken from a source or another (history, sociology, legal instances, etc.) which differs a lot and make it hard to come with a universal argument.
The word religion gives credibility to those who practice it. I do not need it, and if someone claim my religion is not one, who cares beside that ''someone'' ?
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jedi
Feb 23, 2010 18:25:06 GMT -5
Post by jediphoenix on Feb 23, 2010 18:25:06 GMT -5
And to add on, religions have set doctrine, dogma, rituals and beliefs. As Jedi we really don't have those yet! So for me I consider it a path, just that, a path. And if someone wants to argue that point, that is of their choosing. I learned once how to effectively deal with someone who just claimed the Force is God, therefore Jedi are just Christians. But that is based on so many assumptions. What is the Force? What is God? Who are JEdi? Who are Christians? Are they really similar, or is that oversimplification?
In the end, I say "to each their own". In truth we are a group of people who felt connected to something greater than ourselves, and we have felt that that is best termed as the Force. Beyond that, almost every Jedi debates what it means to be a Jedi, or even what the Force really is.
But I digress. In the end, no I feel that Jedi is not a religion.
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jedi
Feb 23, 2010 19:36:18 GMT -5
Post by Cu Glas on Feb 23, 2010 19:36:18 GMT -5
I think of Jedi as a philosophy not a religion. The arguement of Jediism being a religion on the "set of beliefs" criteria would also qualify most sports teams and some commercial brands. For me a religion is a belief in a higher power that has ultimate control over everything, which the Force does not. It does not control us, or shape us. In fact we control and shape it, making it the opposite of a God. As Seneca the Younger once said: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful”
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jedi
Feb 24, 2010 11:27:15 GMT -5
Post by miles on Feb 24, 2010 11:27:15 GMT -5
Some I have known give the Jedi path the weight and importance of religion. They enter in with faith and belief. SOme places have their dogma, their rules, their rites and practices, their moral teachings, their teachings about the divinity of the force. Other places do not, the focus on the intellectual aspects of the Jedi ideal. To that end, is the following of the Jedi ideal a religion? At some places, and to some followers yes. To others, no. I think it is this reason that there is a distinction made at some communitites between Jediism (the religious approach) and Jedi Realist (the more philosophical approach). We have the same distinction among the Sith, and the same duality.
So yes, to some, it is a religion to be practiced and applied. To others, it is a philosophical ideal. Does this take away or give creedence to either view? Each have their limitations. I prefer to separate my beliefs on divinity, though they are incorporated into my philosophy, so I call myself a Sith Realist, with a religious outlook closest to Gnostic in nature.
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akuda
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jedi
Feb 25, 2010 8:00:50 GMT -5
Post by akuda on Feb 25, 2010 8:00:50 GMT -5
I supose we have to look at what the words meanings to gain the greatest understanding why we are dissmissed.
Religion comes from the latin "religio" which according to another jedi friend mean "to bind us back" he feels that this means to bring us together under one banner/ roof or religion. now granted this could be interpreted many different ways but i feel religion is just a way of getting like minded people together to contemplate how great they are and how wrong other "religions" are.
Hence why for me it is "the way/path of the jedi" that interests me. im not looking to only be a jedi on sundays when i go and preach to others like some religions do id rather have a way of life that is fullfilling and not just in a compassionate towards others way. i think the jedi can help others but shouldnt always to allow growth sometimes a struggle is what you want in life becuase as some say "if anything is worth having its worth fighting for"
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